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So, it seems that my original thoughts on this whole “Kathy Lee Gifford called pagans ‘bad and nasty’ issue” were quite right. Following that post, the vast majority of hits to this blog (in the area of about 85-90%) were referred from various search engines using terms like “kathy lee pagan nasty” and “gifford comment pagans”. It seems a lot of people out there were very keen to be involved in this.

I didn’t raise this in my original post (OP), at the risk of being provocative or inflammatory, but seriously: what the hell is with the number of ‘Pagans’ (in inverted comments because I seriously question these people’s devotion) who actively seek out cases of “persecution”?! As someone pointed out in the comments on the OP, Gifford has previously insulted numerous religious groups and other minorities. Yes, she’s a bigot. But she’s also clearly, as I assessed previously, a total moron. Seriously, it’s ignorance, not “hate crimes” (and I really dislike the inappropriate use of the term “hate crimes”, which belittles the extreme prejudice felt by so many minorities; it seems to be most commonly used by the same people who espouse the “9 million Wiccans burned at the stake in Medieval Europe – Never Again the Burning Times(TM)!!!!!!”). There are plenty of instances of actual discrimination against Wiccans/NeoPagans out there already: see here, here, here, etc. And that’s not including actual hate crimes against supposed “witches” (most of whom are innocent and frequently Christian) in Africa, Indonesia, India, the Middle East, etc.

It was asked why I wrote a blog against the “outcry” of certain NeoPagans against Gifford, when I “could” have used my time (more efficiently? Debatable.) to write a letter, sign a petition, etc. against her actions. As I stated in my OP, I devote my time to letter-writing, petition-signing, etc., in real “battles”. You know, the issues that allow for the legal suppression of freedom of religion, freedom of speech, legalised oppression and discrimination. Not the moronic, ill-informed wafflings of some half-wit American. Furthermore, yes “pagan children” could have seen the show: in which case I wonder why they’re watching such tripe in the first place, and why the parents can’t then explain why that woman is wrong. And I don’t doubt that a lot of people that watch a show hosted by such a moron probably share her sentiments anyway, otherwise why would they watch it? Except to try and find something to be “outraged” over. As for her pretense of an apology? Just adds to the already significant evidence that the woman isn’t exactly the sharpest tool in the shed.

I also found it rather sad, but highly poignant, that one commenter then felt the need to attack Christianity, and Christians as a whole, based on the stupidity of one pseudo-Christian. As another poster pointed out, NeoPagans don’t like being painted as “bad and nasty”, so don’t then tar all Christians with the same brush simply because of the stupidity of a few. And I refer to Gifford as a “pseudo-Christian” in the same sense that I refer to people so insecure and anti-Christian (for no reason other than the need to feel superior [and, contradictorily, persecuted]) as pseudo-Pagans: they have no understanding of what it means to really live your faith and work as a priest/ess and holy representative of their God(s).

It’s always been my stance that if you feel that your faith is threatened by stupid off-hand remarks by stupid people, well, then it’s not really much of a faith, is it? Or are we all just so desperate to “prove” how “persecuted” we are that we want to allow ourselves to become “outraged” at blatant stupidity? But then again, is it really representative of the NeoPagan community to say that we are bothered by this moron’s comments? I know that most of the intelligent, devoted NeoPagans with real faith out there aren’t particularly phased: like me, they’re worried more by increasing legitimisation of persecution and oppression of rights (and in general, not simply as they apply to NeoPagans).


Comments on: "Pagan News: Update on the K.L. Gifford Fiasco" (2)

  1. I wasn’t offended by her comments, However, I was a little puzzled as to why a woman in her position, (being in the spotlight for years on talk shows) would be unaware of the large and growing pagan community in America and elsewhere. I’m more offended at her ignorance. A real appology would let us know that she is aware of us… After all, you will always be discriminated against if no one knows you are there…

  2. I’m not really surprised: as has been stated before, this is hardly the woman’s first slander against other religions (and Judaism and Islam are hardly minorities). She’s just generally ignorant and bigoted (so why the hell do people listen to her?)

    Does it really matter if people know about us? I mean, the majority of ignorant, small-minded people are going to REMAIN ignorant and small-minded, no matter how big a presence we have. I guess it comes back to the arguments revolving around secretive mystery traditions (especially Wica/Brit. Trad. Witchcraft) – do we really want to be mainstream? Or will we lose our integrity at little gain? It’s a difficult and laoded issue.

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